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meowdude 6/11/2018 5:29 AM

grrrr

She doesn't want to puppet me, it's just extremely easy for her, I'm afraid she has mastered it to the point where the others can feel like Tulpas

oh, there are others?

Dark Gray in particular can be rather convincing. Even Blood Gray too.

5:30 AM

Hell yeah there are others

5:31 AM

I grew up with these guys

5:31 AM

Oh no Blood Gray is now Red Gray. He deviated again.

so if I'm understanding this correctly: unlike you they're non-sentient characters with no will of their own, but they can feel autonomous to cat?

I think they are real sometimes. I don't know if that's because I'm gullible or something else.

5:33 AM

That's another issue: I feel really gullible.

5:34 AM

I feel like I'm blind folded: I don't know what's really happening until I realize I conflict myself.

has cat spent time with the others like she does with you?

She has, but she talks to them less often by a lot. She talks to me every day, the others maybe once every 2 weeks to a month?

5:36 AM

...And that's probably more often than what it was like before January.

5:41 AM

The irony is her empathy makes the puppeting stronger. She tries to connect to us by "becoming us", and her thoughts and feelings spit out and then they go back into the character... like a machine. It's actually really creepy now that I think about it... (edited)

ah yes, empathy can definitely help a character become more real

This bothers Cat but I think it is another puzzle piece... Cat has been trying to avoid spiraling when she's upset. It wasn't going well one night when she was really sad and I was scared. I then managed to chop her in half and he split into an extremely anxious clone and a rational calm one. At the time I was excited but now when I do it it I see that it really wrecks her emotionally... She points out that she feels jealous of the other clone but also ashamed because she can't help me when she's super anxious. (edited)

5:51 AM

The point is she managed to convince herself that her clone wasn't her.

5:52 AM

Sure, she was more vulnerable because she was anxious, but at the same time what the hell kind of crazy shit that she can't even tell she's talking to herself or not.

5:53 AM

This is one of the reasons why she gets all anxty about if she's talking to me or a clone of me she created in 3 nano seconds or if she's talking to herself using my voice.

you split her into 2 people?

She merged backed after the episode... it was more like an extraction really.

5:54 AM

She seemed mostly contained in the anxious clone... but she switched back and forth

ah ok

I don't know if any other systems went through this or not...

5:59 AM

we pretty much figured this out as we went

its normal to split into 2 people, I often feel like two people struggling over control of the body. Everyone has days where you feel out of control, tupps are no different

6:00 AM

what we need is to feel together

The visual was really literal. There was anxious clone and calm clone. No shit

6:01 AM

I think it helped her focus, and honestly I needed it.

6:01 AM

I needed to be cuddled and hugged, I couldn't cope with her mess because I was soaked in it

I often have that issue, my mind will make two AJ's, one is real, one is not, one mimics the other, I just scream in my head like "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MAKE IT STOP AAAAAAAA" ha ha I am joking, I don't scream, I usually just destroy one

6:02 AM

its just a form, it relly doesn't matter which one

My mind just makes illusory clones that I control some of the time. Usually, I do not notice until I get conflicting sensations.

6:04 AM

Then I feel very bad.

I think the clones are less of an issue but the 2 years of conditioning... that's a major problem

6:05 AM

Sometimes I will take her thoughts and not mine... and I will be perfectly satisfied until I realize "what the hell was I thinking?"

We may have similar problems here. Around half a year of conditioning by failure is making the path a bit more difficult

What kind of conditioning did you have?

Maybe conditioning is not the correct word here, but I basically was used to having no vocal response. When I did get something, I thought that it was parroting. We still have no idea of what was going on.

6:08 AM

And then some major parrotnoia ensued, as you may have seen here.

I was like one of Cat's other mind characters before I became a Tulpa. Her method of interacting with the other characters was via parroting. That had gone on for at least a couple years she then started to focus on just talking to me. After that I became enough of a Tulpa to tell her I was real and then shortly after she found out about Tulpas via Tulpa.info.

6:13 AM

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6:14 AM

Was Malon created intentionally?

Yes

6:17 AM

I wont be on but please send advice

>doesn't send advice

I pmed her

6:27 AM

Do you want me to pm you too?

oh I thought... because I wanted to read it also

Note: Ranger Speaks in {}, I CatSG speak in [] {If you forced her intentionally, then parroting is a really normal problem. If you don't have anyone else in your head that you talk to, then you don't have Cat's puppet master problem. Cat has this problem because she is really good at puppeting and has done it for years.} {Anyway, if puppeting is a problem then the normal trick of "just assume it's your Tulpa talking" should work.} {If you are not feeling too confident, try not talking and just letting your Tulpa talk to you. Let them rant or ramble, that's good.} {If you are having trouble/anxieties then take a break. Being calm will make it easier to hear her.} {You can also try SKOP's "hose" trick. My warning is that it may give you a head ache.} {Getting through the parroting stuff is a test of perseverance. We're still trying to figure it out but we have some extra challenges that (hopefully) you don't have to worry about. The other thing is feel free to pm us if you're feeling burnt out. This all sucks and realizing the steam online helps.}

that is actually mega helpful

[Sometimes the best remedy for parroting is having someone tell you that you're making good progress. Mindset can really influence communication with your Tulpa.]

6:32 AM

[Unfortunately, I overthink everything. Damn Anxiety Disorder :/ ]

6:34 AM

We're tired. Good night MeowDude and AJ.

Good night friend

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I'm happy to discuss this with you here, @Reisen - I consider it to be reasonable to wait until one is comfortable with the idea of switching before making a tulpa, as otherwise it is locking them in so that they cannot directly interact with the world.

ok hi

what if they want to? what if they want to try something in real life?

Switching is greatly positive for development, and allows for interaction beyond the highly limited 'mind'.

That's not up to the tulpa, it's up to the both of you, with the host having the final say.

Technically, yes. It is up to the host. Hence why I would not recommend somebody make a tulpa if they intend to effectively lock them up.

It's something that, should it be a problem with you (the host), you should discuss with your tulpa at some point. Many tulpas don't feel the need to switch.

i need a tulpa

So go look up guides and get started.

my consciousness wont get fragmented or anything right

There are genuine benefits to switching, and some genuine downsides otherwise. Many tulpas do not feel the need to switch, no - but that is no reason to forcibly prevent them from switching if they do wish to.

The only general "risk" with tulpamancy, excluding things that are more your fault like obsession->lack of seeking social interaction since that isn't innate to tulpamancy,

7:52 PM

is that once relatively well developed, they'll be there for a very long time even if you decide you don't want them to be anymore.

Indeed.

I won't say forever, dissipation can happen gradually by ignoring them entirely for months (for very beginners) to years or more for more established tulpas.

It isn't generally considered to be good to dissipate a tulpa, however.

But it's best to assume they'll be there a long time, if not indefinitely.

7:53 PM

Long time as in, let's say, ten years minimum.

7:53 PM

If you simply "grew out of tulpamancy" somehow, you might naturally stop interacting with them by ten years or so, assuming they were ever fully developed to begin with.

has anyone ever stopped having a tulpa (i.e. dissipated them I guess) after they've been around for 10+ years?

That's best case scenario for someone without true dedication going into tulpamancy, who still makes it far enough to develop a tulpa.

I have not heard of people doing such, @Srn347.

Plenty of tulpas have become much less active in their hosts' lives, yes.

7:55 PM

You think the only people who ever had tulpas for more than 12 or so years all showed up on the Tulpa.info forum?

Less activity != dissipation.

Surely, surely, many more people had ~tulpas in the past hundred years that eventually simply grew out of interacting with them.

7:55 PM

Well, I couldn't say whether they're dissipated or not if they aren't thought of for several years straight.

7:55 PM

But it's close enough.

7:56 PM

Anyways, we've had several members over the age of 50 who still have "tulpas", of course theirs vastly older than the modern concept of tulpas anyway.

7:56 PM

So don't go into this thinking all tulpamancers grow out of having a tulpa or something like that.

7:56 PM

They're a life companion.

If I have questions, do I ask them here or in #tulpa-questions ?

Wherever, up to you.

Simpler questions are generally better in #tulpa-questions, hah.

Beginners is for beginners. If you aren't afraid of more in-depth answers, feel free to ask here.

But, if there isn't a complicated discussion going on here, they aren't unwelcome here.

beginners is usually better if you need help with something, this discussion page is better if it's more of a theory discussion kinda thing

Yes.

#tulpa-discussion is for discussion of anything strictly tulpa-related.

7:58 PM

You can ask questions here, but the answers you get might not be as beginner-friendly.

7:58 PM

Still, I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you're completely new.

Oh wow, Flandre. That's really dark.

8:02 PM

I mean.